Meeting Minutes

INFO: No outstanding action item.

ACTION: jwhimpel will continue to work on Ansible roles .

Continued discussion.

ACTION: eseyman take a look at the work program over the holidays

ACTION: jwhimpel will continue to work on Ansible roles

ACTION: eseyman wants to focus on Identity Management for the first half of 2023

INFO: No outstanding action items

We will review the current version and likely add items as soon as we have made progress in reviewing and updating our release and quality criteria - now that the technical specifications have been updated.

Possible focus areas as currently discussed (should be continued on the mailing list):

INFO: @eseyman and @pboy will keep trying hard to replicate and check the Wildfly certificate issue.

info: Installation issue with GPT and software RAID are resolved.

info: Old systemd-nspawn related bugs are basically resolved (bugzilla 1900888, 1900869), but not yet completely

info: The new ServerVM works fine.

agreed: Server Edition rc 1.2 is ready for release.

info: The most important installation articles are reviewed and updated.

agreed: For next release we determine the 5 articles mostly in need of an review and work on them on a documentation day in #fedora-server.

We will continue the mailing list discussion.

INFO: All our open actions are about the next topics.

action: cmurf will test the new ServerVM F37

SWraid installation on biosBoot GPT has been fixed, needs final testing.

@mowest reviewed 2 docs (local install and post installation). They are now significantly improved. Reveals the relevance of the review process.

There is still an issue with the certificate. eseyman and pboy will additionally test it.

INFO: No outstanding action items

We have assigned various test tasks among us. For details see #actions in the minutes below.

@mowest will begin reviewing docs, especially those not associated in the release 37 test items.

We agreed to strive for systematization using the test weeks tools. Details should first be discussed on the mailing list.

INFO: No outstanding action items

It is verified the software raid bug is a release blocker. Not solved yet, but it is being worked on.

Thanks to nirik we have a Server VM x86_64 and s390 image in F37 and in Rawhide. It was a kind of last minute rescue after a rather bumpy ride. And thanks to sgallagh for support in the not so easy way to get the kick-start file done at all.

The kick-start failed on ppc64le and aarch64, unfortunately. The cause is likely to be different partitioning requirements, but the PR for a customized kick-start file was hanging again.

We will need to review the current experience for its impact on our plan to update the server distribution media. Under the current circumstances, implementation seems quite unrealistic or at least extremely costly and time-consuming.

INFO: No outstanding action items

It was consensus, that the document is not immutable and thus change be changed later if ideas for improvements surface later. Therefore, a decision now and start with the next tasks.

AGREED: WG agrees about the techn.spec. in the current version, with alt. 1 for section 1.2 and editorial adaptations as discussed today.

This is a key component of our "Supported by Ansible“-project (Server Roles), which has taken a back seat to everyday issues for far too long.

jwhimpel has developed a playbook where currently there is still a problem with Letsencrypt certificates to be fixed.

ACTION: jwhimpel will provide access to the playbook on GitHub so we can re-play the installation and test it.

INFO: No outstanding action items

We agreed about all suggestions in comments with the exception of the final wording of section 1.2 (File System and Storage Organization). We will open a discussion about the wording of section 1.2 on mailing list.

ACTION: pboy will create a next version of the techn. spec. containing our agreements today.

DONE: Change proposal to add Server VM is accepted

INFO: Tracking bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2100621

INFO: Change Proposal regarding the default hostname configuration is accepted by FESCo

DONE: pboy to add test of uefi sw raid (https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/89)

AGREED: We use the Anaconda solution with raid, for the time beeing. Further evaluation on mailing list and next meeting.

Discussion to continue next meting

ONGOING: Change proposal to add Server VM is still processing ( discussion thread )

INFO: There is now a Change Proposal regarding the default hostname configuration ( discussion thread )

AGREED: Server WG is content with the default hostname change proposal

ACTION: pboy to add test of uefi sw raid with LVM RAID (instead of standard raid)

ACTION: pboy files a bug about sw raid in uefi mode

Discussion of unversal boot configuration postponed until current problems are solved.

AGREED: Server WG will strive for a test week for F38 and follow up releases

First step is a final review of the updated Technical Specification next meeting, followed by an update of our release and test criteria.

link: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/86

Due to the elapsed time further discussion postponed.

DONE: Post on devel list thread F37 proposed change to GPT as default partitioning schema about the regression regarding software raid installations. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DIU6IKPCPD2BXDUFDZUZ2G2ZQNT5JW57/

DONE: Created an issue containing 2 test cases for biosboot GPT software raid installations https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/87

DONE: created a stub of NFS server installation and Cockpit for administration

ONGOING: Created Change proposal to add Server VM is still processing

ONGOING: Discussion about changes around the default hostname configuration

ONGOING: Review of the dnsmasq documentation by eseyman

LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault

Discussion: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VSM473WRHKIIIJYZZCVXAO7XFS4ACHPH/

FESCo has accepted the Change Proposal without discussion. We now have the problem of preserving our users from harm unfortunately done intentionally or, at best, negligently by some of our own members who are owners of the Change Proposal. Unfortunately, the perpetrators do now not care how harm can be averted from our users with Release 37 and do not even bother to attend the meeting on this topic to find a suitable resolution if the issue.

Stephen Gallagher started a process to qualify the Anaconda software raid bug as a blocker to the GPT Change Proposal. If accepted by QA as a blocker, it will have to be fixed (or the Change reverted) in order to ship Fedora. This would be a perfect and constructive solution.

Agreed: Server WG agrees with sgallagh’s suggestion to block the GPT change until the Anaconda issue is resolved and considers it as most essential.

For part of the discussion we have a new tracking issue: #88 , It summarizes all the individual measures that we have discussed for improvement and entail an adjustment of the installation media.

Agreed: Issue #88 is postponed to F38

There are various new bug reports regarding the size of installation media, very similar to those on F36. We’ll ask Adam about it, He resolved those issues for F36.

link: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/86

Due to the elapsed time further preparatory discussion via e-mail.

INFO: We voted successfully for 4 new members: cooltshirtguy, dcavalca, eseyman, mowest, a very warm welcome. Our list of members is already updated.

ONGOING: Created Change proposal to add Server VM is still processing in preparation phase

ONGOING: Discussion about changes around the default hostname configuration

Discussion: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Q2ZBWG3YESG4POYAAZVUKSWMZHG3R7KW/ TBD

Agreed: Server WG insists that before switching to GPT as default for BIOS boot, it is tested, that Anaconda supports a software raid setup smoothly.

There is an RFE (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2054625) pending to include some additional packages to the full installation DVD, which led to a discussion which packages to add and whether we accept a further increase of the downloads.

Agreed: We combine all installation content related issues and actions into one new ticket.

Action: pboy to create a new ticket about installation media content review

link: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/86

Discussion: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/T75AU7FLZMDUBMXOD3AXSC4VCYIJ6ZMA/

Agreed: We will divide the topic in several steps and start with nfs.

We’ll start with completing our documentation with installing and maintening a nfs server. Pboy will provide a ToC proposal.

Eseyman will start to review the dnsmasq documentation article with the goal to extend it about setup of an PXE server. Mowest is about to document his setup of a WOL configuration.

ONGOING: Created Change proposal to add Server VM

DONE: Supplement to our Product requirements Document (PRD)

DONE and ONGOING: Voting about new members (open until Thursday,05 05:00 UTC).

DONE: Withdrawal of nb and mhoungbo from member list

We agreed, we did better than with F35 and want to further improve with F37. Will open a follow-up discussion on mailing list.

There is an RFE (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2054625) pending to include some additional packages to the full installation DVD, which led to a discussion which packages to add and whether we accept a further increase of the downloads.

Agreed: Continue discussion on mailing list.

x3mboy raised the question of migrating our repository to gitlab.

Agreed: discuss on mailing list

DONE: withdrew Ben Williams from the list of approved members as he had wanted. Many thanks for his contributions.

DONE: Opened a discussion about Cockpit and the file-sharing update follow ups on mailing list.

DONE: Opened a discussion thread about a specification for a Server Edition VM on mailing list.

https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/79

Agreed: WG decides to add a Fedora Server Edition VM image and to make a corresponding Change proposal.

Action: pboy creates a change proposal to add a Fedora Server Edition VM image

Agreed: WG decides to amend the PRD as proposed in ticket 83

Action: pboy edits the PRD to amend as in issue #83 and initializes the required processing

https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/67

Agreed: WG agrees to open a voting on the admision of cooltshirtguy, dcavalca, eseyman and mowest in one go.

Action: pboy start a voting the admision of cooltshirtguy, dcavalca, eseyman and mowest in one go.

Agreed: WG agrees to withdraw nb and mhoungbo for the time being (#67). Many thanks to both of them for their willingness to work on the Server WG.

Action: Withdrawal of nb and mhoungbo from member list.

Agreed: salimma and Eighth_Doctor work with Dusty and probably others to explore the possibilities to get the old behaviour (pre f33) back.

There was a longer discussion about the subject. And the largely unanimous position was that we still need bios boot for a longer time for various reasons. Everything must be done to find a technical solution that makes this possible under the condition of available resources.

Agreed: Davide Cavalca and Michel Alexandre Salim volunteer to work further on the subject.

Info: Had an IRC chat with Ben Williams (jbwillia). He is busy with other projects and we agreed he will withdraw from server WG. So I will remove him from our list. (see #67).

Action: Will withdraw Ben Williams from the list of approved members for the time being.

DONE: Withdrew Subhendu Ghosh from the list of approved members for the time being. * DONE: pb and sgallagh resolved the installation issue with virtualization.

Info: <cooltshirtguy> takes over testing AD from <sgallagh> for the F36 test cycle

Info: <eseyman> still testing OpenLDAP

Info: <pboy> No issues found with libcirt / postgreSQL / java / Tomcat

Agreed: WG will join the Upgrade test day Thursday, April 14. Member will test on their own "real world" configurations

Agreed: We close issue #73 as completed and done.

Info: <sgallagh> has it on his (long) backlog to add the Cockpit Application stuff to the file-sharing

Agreed: We open a discussion thread about file-sharing update followup actions on mailing list

Info: There is a hot discussion about withdrawel of bios boot for F37.

We will dedicate a own topic about that next meeting

Regarding our own plannings:

Info: Startet to contact members who had not been with us for longer than a half year und didn’t contribute anything (see #67).

Info: Tried to contact Subhendu Ghosh (sghosh). There is no FAS account and no mail address available.

Agreed: We withdraw Subhendu Ghosh from the list of approved members for the time being.

Action: sgallagh and pboy work on #80

Action: <jwhimpel> The migration to the "next generation" of ansible seems to be working fine.

Result: Special interests exist so far in